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  • 0.9 TCe 90 CP

    Am deschis acest thread pentru a discuta despre noua motorizare 0.9 TCe 90 CP

  • #2
    asteptam utilizatori cu astfel de motorizari

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    • #3
      Abia astept sa fac un test cu sandero cu motorizarea de 0.9 TCe 90 CP

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      • #4
        Personal am retineri pentru cei 3 cilindri. Adica daca este bine echilibrat motorul.
        Am condus Vw Polo 1.4 TDI in 3 cilindri si era OK. Insa ala era VW. :-)

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        • #5
          uite cum functioneaza

          www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNvRhWL1stQ

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BRD View Post
            Am vazut insa este numai o animatie pe computer, nu sunt imagini reale.

            Nu cred ca mi-as dori sa am o masina in 3 cilindri. Stiu ca e turbo, am si o masina turbo insa HDi si stiu ce inseamna turbo si cum se simte. Dar va spun din experienta Turbo poate insemna si o mare bataie de cap si emotie cand se strica.

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            • #7
              Turbo racit si uns bine nu are voie sa faca probleme.Toti constructorii merg spre benzina+turbo-ford trei cilindrii+turbo ;renault 3si 4 cilindrii+turbo;vw 4cilindrii+turbo .Alti constructori merg pe benzina aspirat +hybrid.Vedem cine o sa cistige.
              Last edited by BRD; 23 October 2012, 21:34.

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              • #8
                Mie consumul mi se pare putin cam mare...ma asteptam cu 3-4% mai mic decat este (mai ales in afara localitatilor)

                ps. informatiile sunt pe site-ul dacia (nu nu am putut accesa site-ul cu Firefox ci doar cu IE)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bunicuta View Post
                  Mie consumul mi se pare putin cam mare...ma asteptam cu 3-4% mai mic decat este (mai ales in afara localitatilor)

                  ps. informatiile sunt pe site-ul dacia (nu nu am putut accesa site-ul cu Firefox ci doar cu IE)
                  Si cum toate consumurile de pe dacia.ro sunt in realitate ceva mai mari...

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                  • #10
                    Stii care-i culmea..eu ii urasc pe cei de la dacia...DAR, cand e vorba sa anunte consumurile, sunt cei mai aproape de adevar....abaterile lor sunt chiar mici fata de altor producatori (nu dam nume din motive de posibil proces de calomnie -cautati pe forumurile diverselor marci)

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                    • #11
                      pai consumurile date de aia din strainatate sunt pentru drumurile lor...pentru ei extraurban inseamna ca i-o dai pe a 6-7-8 sau cate o avea si mai pui mana pe schimbator la destinatie. nu ca la noi de mesteci in mamaliga de faci scurta la mana.
                      -fara-

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                      • #12
                        Spanule, nici vorba...toate consumurile se fac pe o pista speciala, fara trafic, cu o anumita cantitate de benzina in rezervor, cu motorul incalzit....etc...de fapt sunt mai degraba teste sintetice decat teste real life...si cu toate astea, cei de la dacia au ales sa minta mai putin in ceea ce priveste cosumul decat alte companii.

                        3. GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS

                        3.1. Fuel consumption is determined by the following tests: 3.1.1. Cycle simulating urban driving, as described in Annex III to Council Directive 70/220/EEC of 20 March 1970 on the approximation of the laws of the Member States relating to measures to be taken against air pollution by gases from positive-ignition engines of motor vehicles (1), as last amended by Directive 78/665/EEC (2) (see section 5);

                        3.1.2. Constant speed test at 90 km/h (see section 6);

                        3.1.3. Constant speed test at 120 km/h (see section 6). This test is not performed if the vehicle's maximum design speed is less than 130 km/h.

                        3.2. The results of the tests must be expressed in 1/100 km rounded off to the nearest 0 71.

                        3.3. Distances must be measured to within an accuracy of 0 75 % and times to within an accuracy of 0 72 s. (1)OJ No L 76, 6.4.1970, p. 1. (2)OJ No L 223, 14.8.1978, p. 48.

                        3.4. Test fuel

                        The fuel used must be either the reference fuel specified in Annex VI to Directive 70/220/EEC or that specified in Annex V to Council Directive 72/306/EEC, of 2 August 1972 on the approximation of the laws of the Member States relating to the measures to be taken against the emission of pollutants from diesel for use in vehicles (1), as appropriate.

                        4. TEST CONDITIONS

                        4.1. General condition of the vehicle

                        4.1.1. The vehicle must be clean and the windows and air intakes closed, with only the equipment necessary for the functioning of the vehicle during the test being in operation. If there is a manually controlled device on the carburettor inlet for air heating, it must be in the "summer" position. In general, the auxiliary equipment required for the normal running of the vehicle must be in operation.

                        4.1.2. If the radiator fan is temperature controlled, it must be operating as it would normally on the vehicle. The passenger compartment heating system must not be operating, nor must the air conditioning system, although its compressor must be operating normally.

                        4.1.3. If a pressure charging device is fitted, it must be operating as it would normally for the test speed.

                        4.1.4. The vehicle must have been run in and have covered at least 3 000 km before the test.

                        4.2. Lubricants

                        All lubricants must be those recommended by the manufacturer of the vehicle and must be indicated in the test report.

                        4.3. Tyres

                        The tyres must be of one of the types specified as original equipment by the vehicle manufacturer, inflated to the pressure recommended for the test load and speeds (adjusted, where necessary, for test-bed operation under test conditions). The pressures used must be indicated in the test report.

                        4.4. Measurement of fuel consumption

                        4.4.1. The fuel must be supplied to the engine through a device capable of measuring the quantity consumed to within ± 2 % ; this device must not interfere with normal supply. If the system of measurement is volumetric, the temperature of the fuel must be measured at the volume measuring point.

                        4.4.2. There must be a valve system to permit rapid change-over from the general fuel supply system to the measuring system. This change-over must not take longer than 0 72 s.

                        4.5. Reference conditions

                        Pressure : Ho = 1 000 mbar

                        Temperature : To = 293 K (20 ºC)

                        4.5.1. Air density

                        4.5.1.1. The air density when the vehicle is tested, calculated as described in 4.5.1.2 below, must not differ by more than 7 75 % from the air density under the reference conditions. (1)OJ No L 190, 20.8.1972, p. 1.

                        4.5.1.2. The air density is calculated using the formula: >PIC FILE= "T0013780">

                        dT = air density under test conditions;

                        do = air density under reference conditions;

                        HT = pressure during the test;

                        TT = absolute temperature during the test (K).

                        5. MEASUREMENT OF FUEL CONSUMPTION OVER A CYCLE SIMULATING URBAN DRIVING

                        5.1. The test cycle is as described in Annex III to Directive 70/220/EEC

                        5.1.1. In the case of diesel-powered vehicles the load adjustment is determined for the corresponding petrol-driven model or by an alternative method recognized as equivalent

                        5.1.2. Reference mass of the vehicle

                        The mass of the vehicle is the reference mass, as defined in section 1.2 of Annex I to Directive 70/220/EEC

                        5.2. The dynamometer is set to the equivalent inertia, as stipulated in section 4.2 of Annex III to Directive 70/220/EEC.

                        5.3. Measurement of consumption

                        5.3.1. Consumption is calculated on the basis of the quantity of fuel consumed during two consecutive cycles.

                        5.3.2. Before the measurements are made, the engine must be warmed up from cold by the completion of five full test cycles. The measurements may also be carried out immediately following the type I and type II tests described in Directive 70/220/EEC. The temperature is kept within the normal operating range for that engine, if necessary by using the auxiliary cooling device.

                        5.3.3. The idling period between two consecutive cycles may be extended by not more than 60 s to facilitate fuel consumption measurement.

                        5.4. Calculation of fuel consumption

                        5.4.1. If the fuel consumption is measured gravimetrically, the consumption is expressed (in litres/100 km) by converting the measurement M (fuel consumed expressed in kilograms) using the following formula: >PIC FILE= "T0013781">

                        Sg = density of the fuel under the reference conditions (kg/dm3);

                        D = distance covered during the test (km).

                        5.4.2. If the fuel consumption is measured volumetrically, the consumption is expressed (in litres/100 km) by the following formula: >PIC FILE= "T0013782">

                        To = reference temperature expressed in ºC;

                        TF = fuel temperature in ºC measured at the volume measuring point.

                        5.5. Expression of results

                        5.5.1. The standard consumption in urban driving is the arithmetic mean of three consecutive measurements carried out in accordance with the procedure described above.

                        5.5.2. If the extreme measurements differ by more than 5 % from the mean, further tests must be carried out in accordance with this procedure until a degree of accuracy of at least 5 % is obtained.

                        5.5.3. The accuracy of measurement is calculated using the formula: >PIC FILE= "T0013783">

                        k is given by the following table: >PIC FILE= "T0013785">

                        5.5.4. If at least 5 % accuracy has not been attained after 10 measurements, the consumption is determined by using another vehicle of the same type.

                        6. MEASUREMENT OF FUEL CONSUMPTION AT CONSTANT SPEED

                        6.1. These tests may be carried out either on a dynamometer or on the road.

                        6.1.1. Mass of the vehicle

                        6.1.1.1. The mass of the vehicle is the mass in running order, as defined in 6.1.1.2, plus 180 kg, or plus half the full load if that figure exceeds 180 kg, including measuring equipment and occupants. The suspension height of the vehicle is that obtained when the centre of gravity of the load is in the middle of the straight line joining the R points of the front (side) seats.

                        6.1.1.2. For the purposes of this Directive, "mass of the vehicle in running order" means its total unladen mass with all tanks except the fuel tank full, the fuel tank being filled to 90 % of the capacity specified by the manufacturer, and with a set of tools and the spare wheel on board.

                        6.2. Gearbox

                        If the vehicle is fitted with a manual gear change, the gear ratio used is the highest recommended by the manufacturer for driving at each of the test speeds.

                        6.3. Test procedure

                        6.3.1. Road test

                        6.3.1.1. Weather conditions 6.3.1.1.1. The relative humidity must be less than 95 % ; the road must be dry ; the road surface may, however, bear traces of moisture, provided that there is no appreciable film of water at any one place.

                        6.3.1.1.2. The average wind speed must be less than 3 m/s and gusts less than 8 m/s.

                        6.3.1.2. Before the measurements are taken, the vehicle must travel on the chosen circuit, at a speed close to the test speed, a sufficient distance for the running temperature to be reached ; in no case, however, must this distance be less than 10 km.

                        6.3.1.3. Test run

                        The test run must be such as to allow a steady speed to be maintained and must be at least 2 km in length. It must form a closed circuit and the surface must be in good condition. A straight road may be used provided that a run of 2 km is made in both directions. The gradient must not exceed 2 % between any two points.

                        6.3.1.4. During each test run, the speed must be kept steady to within ± 2 km/h. The average speed for each test must not differ from the reference speed by more than 2 km/h.

                        6.3.1.5. To determine the consumption at each reference speed (see graph below), four tests are performed ; two at an average speed less than the reference speed and two at an average speed exceeding the reference speed.

                        6.3.1.6. The fuel consumption for each test run is calculated from the formulae in 5.4.

                        6.3.1.7. The difference between the two lower calculated values must not exceed 5 % of their average value, this same condition applying also to the two higher calculated values. The value of the fuel consumption at the appropriate reference speed is calculated by linear interpolation as shown on the graph below. 6.3.1.7.1. If the conditions in 6.3.1.7 are not achieved for either pair of calculated values, the four test runs must be repeated. If after ten attempts the required consistency has not been achieved, another vehicle must be selected and subjected to all the tests specified in this procedure.

                        Example : Calculation for an average speed of 90 km/h. >PIC FILE= "T0013786">

                        The four crosses correspond to the calculated values for each test run. Co is the value calculated for the consumption at the reference speed Vo over the test distance.

                        6.3.2. Dynamometer test

                        6.3.2.1. Dynamometer setting

                        The dynamometer must be set as described in section 4.1 of Annex III to Directive 70/220/EEC with the following amendments: - the dynamometer must be set for the appropriate test speed;

                        - the condition of the vehicle during the test runs must be as specified in sections 4.1 to 4.3, and the weather conditions during the road test must be as specified in 6.3.1.1 to enable the correct inlet manifold depression setting to be determined.

                        In the case of diesel-powered vehicles, the dynamometer must be set as specified in 5.1.1.

                        6.3.2.2. Cooling

                        Additional air-cooling devices may be used to keep the operating conditions and the temperature of the lubricants and coolant within the range normally obtained at the same speed on the road.

                        6.3.2.3. Before any measurements are taken, the vehicle must cover, at a speed close to the test speed, a sufficient distance on the dynamometer for the running temperatures to be reached ; this distance must in no case be less than 10 km.

                        6.3.2.4. The test distance must not be less than 2 km, as measured by a revolution counter on the dynamometer.

                        6.4. The type of dynamometer used must be indicated in the test report.

                        6.5. Expression of results

                        Whatever the method of measurement used, the results must be expressed in litres/100 km under the reference conditions specified in 4.5.

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                        Vedeti si Directiva Consiliului Europei 80/1268/EEC, modificata ultima data de 2004/3/EC (asta de mai sus e putin mai veche...principiile raman totusi in mare parte aceleasi)
                        Last edited by bunicuta; 25 October 2012, 20:27.

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                        • #13
                          Aoleo ce de teorie aici. Einstein curat. :-)

                          Nu sunt de acord cu ce spune bunicuta ca cei de la Dacia dau consumuri mai apropiate de adevar ca alti producatori. La Peugeot consumurile date sunt foarte OK si conforme cu adevarul. La fel si vitezele maxime. La nevasta-mea 307-lea consuma 4,5 motorina in afara iar la mine 5 si ceva. Chestie de condus. :-)) La Sandero inca nu mi-am facut o impresie are numai 250 km inca e in rodaj si nu am facut drumuri lungi. Dar cat naiba sa consume un motor de 1.2 benzina daca e condus cu bun simt?

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                          • #14
                            10-12 in oras pe timp de iarna si 6-7 afara. atat poate sa consume un 1.2 benzina.
                            dar cum ai zis si tu daca ai bun simt si nu depasesti 3000 de rotatii, mai tai din ele cate 1 l.
                            -fara-

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                            • #15
                              Da, dar motorul se simte bine la turatii mari.

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